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Joke of the Day: Horn players and squirrels

Next up in the humor rotation, we have another friendly jibe at horn players. Hey, anyone who plays an instrument that points backward and requires you stick your hand in the bell to do it has to have a great sense of humor!  ;-)

Q: What is the difference between a squirrel and a French horn player in the back of a taxi?
A: The squirrel is probably going to a gig!

All the best to everyone (but especially horn players and squirrels),
Mark

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Play trumpet AND horn? Good advice for doubling

In an article about transposition that we published recently, I mentioned that a good friend of mine, a trumpet and horn player, had helped me a great deal when I resumed playing the trumpet after a 20-year hiatus. One of our loyal PTM readers contacted me and asked for a “patch through” in order to ask some questions, as he is attempting to pick up both horn and trumpet after several years away from both instruments. Since many people eventually decide to “double” on another instrument, I asked both gentlemen if I could publish an excerpt of their exchange for the benefit of others…and both agreed. See, the PTM crowd really is a generous bunch.  8-)

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The Players

Ken Bacorn is a returning musician, looking to pick up both horn and trumpet after roughly 15 years away from both. From my correspondence with Ken, I know him to be inquisitive and thoughtful; he’s asking the right questions to accomplish his goals. Ken, thanks for getting this excellent discussion started!

Steve Hamrick has an extensive background in music, plays numerous instruments exceptionally well (horn and trumpet top the list, but he is no stranger to guitar and piano!), conducts both instrumental and choral ensembles, and has several compositions and arrangements to his credit. Steve is the Director of Worship & Church Music for the Illinois Baptist State Association and can be reached by posting a comment here or directly via email. Steve is a phenomenal musician who is also a gracious human being, and I’m privileged to call him a good friend.

The Inquiry

Hi Steve,

I have recently decided to get back into music after being away for about 15 years. To make life more interesting, I decided to comeback on both the horn and trumpet. I was wondering if you would be willing to share with me some tips on playing both, and being proficient on both.

I guess I’m curious as to how much practice time you dedicate to the two different instruments. And, of course, I am looking for advice on mouthpieces. Do you use something that is similar for both instruments, or have you learned to use mouthpieces that are completely different?

I would greatly appreciate any insight you would be willing to offer. Thanks.

Ken Bacorn

The Response

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the note. Of course the standard answer from most teachers is that you shouldn’t do both, but I believe that it is possible on an intermediate to advanced level. I originally was a trumpet player that moved to the horn in the 9th grade because we didn’t have any horn players. I continued playing both instruments but focused on the horn through college and beyond. I continued to play trumpet in Jazz band and church throughout. I still enjoy playing both instruments regularly and on occasion play both in the same night for a gig. I have personally found it is a lot easier to go from the horn to the trumpet than the other way around. There is something about moving down to a smaller mouthpiece that is more difficult for me. Of course the down side is that you can’t always choose the order of the music. If I have to move from trumpet to horn in the same program, I will take the horn mouthpiece and buzz for as long as I have time to re-adjust my embouchure.

I do not try to find similar mouthpieces between the two instruments. I don’t think there is anything out there that is comparable anyway. The diameters are different, the rims are way different, and the cups are different as well. I really prefer a gold rim for slickness. I suggest you try several mouthpiece combos and see what combo works for you.

Also I make sure that the mouthpiece placement for each instrument remains standard. The trumpet should be played in the top half of the mouthpiece, while the horn needs to be played in the lower half of the mouthpiece. I have found that both rims sit about the same place on my top lip. I am sure this is helpful when switching between the two instruments.

For me, I always practice the horn first and the trumpet second, if I am going to play both during one gig. I will practice the horn or trumpet exclusively if I am only going to play one of the instruments. Often I am playing the horn during the week for an orchestra rehearsal, but then on Sunday I play my trumpet in church. I have never had any issue or difficulty if I am only playing one instrument per day. I can go back to the horn on Monday and it feels as it always has.

Tonguing and tone are harder on the horn than trumpet and the playing the upper octave of the trumpet in tune and accurately is the most difficult for me. So I practice accordingly. I work upper octave almost exclusively on the trumpet and work most of the basics on the horn. I am sure that has a lot to do with personal preference.

Lastly, get in a community group or church type group so you will have motivation to play. Lessons will force you to practice. Most people will do better with some accountability.

I had a professor tell me that even after 15 years, you will get back about 75% of your original proficiency back within two weeks. That last 25% and beyond will take a lot of work with daily practice required.

Hope this is helpful. It is not meant to be scientific but I have encouraged a lot of adults to pull the old horn out of the attic and join the local church or community band.

Blessings,
Steve

The Bottom Line

It is possible to learn, or re-learn, two instruments at once…but it isn’t easy. It can be done, though…and your rewards will correspond directly to your commitment. The above exchange wasn’t intended to be all-inclusive in terms of either topics or advice, and of course, situations vary…but it’s great advice for a great start for those looking to double on two brass instruments.

Have a comment? Post it! We all get smarter when we share what we know. Thanks to Ken and Steve for a great discussion and for allowing us all to benefit from it.

All the best,
Mark

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The Answer: why be a PART-TIME musician?

I’ll warn you now: this is a humorous post. For those without a sense of humor, save yourselves now!

For the rest of you – us! – enjoy.  :-)

Horn Performance Degree vs. Four Years of Intense Videogaming

Hoping to demonstrate the value of music education as a replacement for video gaming, a psychologist arranged for the controlled education of two similarly-qualified high school students.  The first student was provided with a four-year education at a major university, unlimited access to a video arcade and an inexhaustible supply of quarters.  The second student was provided with a four-year education at a major music conservatory, unlimited access to a horn teacher, and a professional quality double horn.

The study was summarized as follows:

Student A became obsessed with and spent 8+ hours a day playing PacMan.  Normal personal hygiene and social skills declined and no friendships were formed, except with students similarly obsessed.  Student A did not find regular employment after graduation, preferring instead to continue his long hours playing PacMan.  After three years, he began to understand that he could not earn a living playing PacMan, and after five years, Student A has obtained reasonably secure employment as a computer programmer.

Student B became obsessed with and spent 8+ hours a day playing his Paxman.  Normal personal hygiene and social skills declined and no friendships were formed, except with students similarly obsessed.  Student B did not find regular employment after graduation, preferring instead to continue long hours playing his Paxman.  After three years, he began to understand that he could not earn a living playing his Paxman, and after five years, Student B has obtained reasonably secure employment as a computer programmer.

Conclusion: There is no significant difference between an undergraduate degree in horn performance and four years of intense videogaming.

Courtesy of TheFrenchHorn.net and Jonathan Quist. Thanks for the smiles, folks!

Keep playing,
Mark

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Joke of the Day: Horn players and light bulbs

It’s been awhile since we’ve picked on the horn section here, so we’re going to fix that now.  8-)

This one was sent to me by a horn player himself who thought it worth sharing. Enjoy!

Q: How many horn players does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Just one, but he’ll spend two hours checking the bulb for alignment and leaks.

Keep playing,
Mark

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Flying with a Musical Instrument: And Another Thing…

Our recent article about flying with a musical instrument drew a lot of responses and some great added advice from our ever-resourceful readers. While the initial list was limited to seven tips in order to focus solely upon the key points, here are a few more things that are good to know when preparing for a flight.

Airliner Landing

Thing 1: Oils, greases, and sprays belong in a bag

If your instrument requires liquids or semi-liquids to operate, those items must be in a clear plastic bag…just like your shampoo and toothpaste. Having your valve oil, slide or cork grease, and slide lubricants in a clear plastic bag makes life easier for those screening baggage and helps make the process go more smoothly for everyone.

Thing 2: Be ready to perform

Airport security personnel are trained to be suspicious, and that is a good thing. They may ask you to demonstrate that your instrument really is an instrument and that you really are a musician. To avoid uncomfortable moments, have something in mind that you can play “on command” to demonstrate that all really is as it seems.

Whatever you play doesn’t have to be fancy, and you shouldn’t get nervous about it. Look at it as a chance to show off that fun little piece you secretly delight in playing at the end of your practice sessions. No one expects you to be a Perlman, Marsalis, or Van Halen; just have fun with it! And once the applause dies down, put it quietly back into the case. No encores.  :-)

Thing 3: Sending it ahead might be a good idea

Another option for flying with your instrument is to avoid it entirely. In some cases, it makes sense to send your gear ahead via private carrier. If you absolutely must have your valuable cello or guitar with you at your destination, this provides a way to skip all worries of your baby being “bumped” to the cargo hold. Compared to the cost of buying a ticket for your larger instrument, it can also be a cost-effective alternative. (NOTE: Pack properly and purchase insurance if you choose this option…just in case.)

Thing 4: Ask the attendant to stow your instrument behind the cockpit

Most planes have a small storage closet, specifically for bulkier items, located just behind the cockpit. A kind attendant often will offer to stow your instrument there if room is still available, but don’t be afraid to ask if no one thinks to volunteer it. This is the best of both worlds: your instrument is in the cabin, but it’s safely stored out of your way for the duration of the flight.

Thing 5: In case of emergency, appeal to the Captain

The word is that the pilot has final say on what stays in the cabin and what goes. If a flight attendant insists that the instrument for which you bought a seat must now be moved to the cargo hold – and just won’t have it any other way – politely ask to speak with the Captain. No one wants to delay a flight, and pilots often are more accommodating than well-meaning, but often passenger-stressed, attendants. Give the attendant a break and plead your case with the final (flight) authority prior to taking any further steps.

Thing 6: The case must go

If the pilot says your instrument must move to cargo, there may yet be hope. More than one reader reported that they were allowed to remove their instrument from its bulky case and send the case to the cargo hold sans instrument. Wrapping their instrument in a T-shirt, jacket, or cloth bag and placing it under their seat resolved the situation to everyone’s satisfaction. (NOTE: This only works for smaller instruments, and only then if pilot/attendants agree that the carry-on/instrument doesn’t have to fit completely under the seat.)

Thing 7: Plan for the worst…but it probably won’t happen

All of the initial Top 7 Tips and these “other things” assume the worst because it pays to be prepared. In all likelihood, however, you will have a smooth and pleasant, incident-free flight…especially if you are prepared. Do your homework, and be ready with polite responses and maybe even a short selection – but don’t stress over it. The earlier advice still holds: plan well, pack well, and play well.  :-)

Have a comment? Please leave one below, or email us! We’d love to hear from you.

Keep playing (and flying!),
Mark

Acknowledgements

A tip of the hat goes to the following PTM readers who provided many of the above points: Jeff Helgesen, Ellis Workman, Dr. James Klages, Denny Schreffler, Ann Frederking, and Virginia “Ginger” Lawrence. Thanks to all!

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